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Zissu posts Weighting Padding Sighting Costs

GM Zissu posts the details for the RSN Weighting/Padding/Sighting mechanics with examples of cost for plain, not so plain, and for your vorpal sword of doom. A few messages later, he confirms 1 ‘service’ is not a point of padding, and that it is cumulative.

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Category: Paid Events: Adventures, Quests, and SimuCoins
Topic: Duskruin Arena

Date: 08/19/2017 02:00 AM CDT
From: GS4-ZISSU
Subj: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Hi all,

We’re pretty excited to announce details on the Weighting/Padding/Sighting mechanics (RSN!), but I know there was some concern for planning bloodscrip earnings so I wanted to drop by and give some very rough guidelines on cost. These are JUST guidelines, and what I give here will probably raise more questions that I won’t be able to answer until later, so best to not make assumptions.

For padding a plain jane 6x armor:
Using 20 ‘services’ will cost you 6125 bloodscrip
Using all 25 ‘services’ will cost you 13825 bloodscrip

For padding 6x armor with some TD and some resistances:
Using 20 ‘services’ will cost you 10500 bloodscrip
Using all 25 ‘services’ will cost you 23681 bloodscrip

For weighting legit vorpal sword of doom (I’m talking borderline unobtainable stats):
Using 20 ‘services’ will cost you 27765 bloodscrip
Using all 25 ‘services’ will cost you 62700 bloodscrip

Happy Duskruin’ing!

Zissu – Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey


Date: 08/19/2017 02:07 AM CDT
From: ROBLAR
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Cumulative?

Can you confirm a “service” is 1 pt of pad/weight/sight?


Date: 08/19/2017 02:09 AM CDT
From: ROBLAR
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Ha, I think exhaustion is setting in early, that must be per service/pt.


Date: 08/19/2017 02:10 AM CDT
From: GS4-ZISSU
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Cumulative – Yes. These are the summed cost of those amount of services.

Can confirm it is not 1pt of pad/weight/sight as you know it today, but that’s all I’ll say for now.

Zissu – Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey


Date: 08/19/2017 02:11 AM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
What about 6x hcp armor using all 25 services?

Fyrentennimar

Quote: “Jaynah says, “This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.””


Date: 08/19/2017 04:56 AM CDT
From: MENOS
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Zissu, your post was astonishingly helpful for me. Thank you.

Sweet is the sound of the pouring rain,
And the stream that falls from the hill to plain.
Better than rain or rippling brook,
Is a mug of beer inside this Took.


Date: 08/19/2017 06:18 AM CDT
From: JOEKUPS
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Is there a chance this update doesn’t go live this run of duskruin since it is dependant on the changes to weighting/padding/sighting moving to it’s own slot?

Wyrom says, “Ordim is the reason savants won’t be coded as well.”


Date: 08/19/2017 07:48 AM CDT
From: CHUCK3B
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
This sounds incredibly cheap-too cheap really-for the service but maybe it will turn out that “25 points” in the new system is much less than what 25 points would have been in the old system…


Date: 08/19/2017 07:57 AM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Given that people were rioting in the streets for 6x & 10 points for 15K BS, there’s no way they looked at that reaction and thought “they’re upset the price is too high.” 25 Services being less than that means it’s guaranteed to give less than what 10 points was.


Date: 08/19/2017 08:08 AM CDT
From: ARCHIGEEK
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
I do not understand how this is going to work. I don’t know what the units are or the limitations.

Kerl


Date: 08/19/2017 08:49 AM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
My guess, it’s like enchanting. You need more services per point as the weighting goes up.


Date: 08/19/2017 09:06 AM CDT
From: DMAC188
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Are the invites to this dropping yet? And any rough estimate of how frequent they will be?


Date: 08/19/2017 09:15 AM CDT
From: KITHUS
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
I know they are dropping in Plat, although you cannot actually use the smithy yet. As I don’t think it’ll re-invite you until you use up your current invite I don’t know how often they drop but I got mine I feel fairly quick after it was an option. That said I 250 most runs.

Keith/Brinret/Eronderl

Keith is correct
-Wyrom, APM

Keith is correct.
-GameMaster Estild

Date: 08/19/2017 09:58 AM CDT
From: DMAC188
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
By posting the bloodscrip cost of the weighting/padding it’s not overly useful on how much bloodscrip I can expect to spend without knowing the frequency of the invites.


Date: 08/19/2017 10:01 AM CDT
From: KALAH
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Why can’t you just add 1 point of padding/weighting for these prices? Why does it have to be more complicated than that?


Date: 08/21/2017 02:28 AM CDT
From: ARSHWIKK
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines

Well can you confirm that 20 services are equal to what we consider +10 points (HCP) padding today? Is it more, less? Obviously, if you are changing the padding system, existing armors will be redefined as well, so you must know something you can tell us.


Date: 08/21/2017 03:59 AM CDT
From: GAMING2K
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
I really don’t understand why you can not give any details or comparisons to the new weighting and padding system vs the old? It really doesn’t make much sense that you can’t do this unless the goal is to make more money off of people going for bloodscrip because it’s a severe nerf and you make less money off of revealing details…


Date: 08/21/2017 04:15 AM CDT
From: DARKSYDE32
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines

Tap the brakes and give them a chance to roll it out. The idea that this being rolled out this way as a scheme to make money is just silly- people would be and are doing non-stop runs anyways. I’m sure there’s a rational explanation for why details are currently limited.


Date: 08/21/2017 04:32 AM CDT
From: GAMING2K
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
If it was something awesome and exciting people would be sharing more details. I don’t understand why it’s a secret right up until it’s actually released. Why not give people the opportunity to understand the mechanic changes before they invest into the system?


Date: 08/21/2017 07:31 AM CDT
From: GS4-SLEKEN
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
<<<If it was something awesome and exciting people would be sharing more details. I don’t understand why it’s a secret right up until it’s actually released. Why not give people the opportunity to understand the mechanic changes before they invest into the system?>>>

The people that could best do this are frantically working on things to get them out. If something forces a change and details have been posted, the backlash would be ridiculous.

ASGM Sleken


Date: 08/21/2017 08:07 AM CDT
From: CHUCK3B
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Seriously, the wait isn’t that big of a deal. I don’t understand people demanding details which (1) haven’t been finalized yet and (2) would demand time from the very people trying to get this out the door. Just breathe dude. Just breathe.


Date: 08/21/2017 09:10 AM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Personally the big problem is the fact the invites don’t stack. From what I can tell I was insanely lucky to get an invite considering there are people with well over 100 perfect runs who have not. With the event lasting so long this time I for one am just sitting on my rear now because of this, I know there are others doing the same.

Fyrentennimar

Quote: “Jaynah says, “This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.””


Date: 08/21/2017 09:14 AM CDT
From: VANKRASN39
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines

>From what I can tell I was insanely lucky to get an invite considering there are people with well over 100 perfect runs who have not.

are you sure? are they sure? have they checked the DUSKRUIN verb yet?


Date: 08/21/2017 09:18 AM CDT
From: SHEN1
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines

239 perfect runs, no invite

Had my fill, thanks.

Aurach


Date: 08/21/2017 09:18 AM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
>>are you sure? are they sure? have they checked the DUSKRUIN verb yet?

Yes

Fyrentennimar

Quote: “Jaynah says, “This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.””


Date: 08/21/2017 09:47 AM CDT
From: GAMING2K
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
The main issue is that people are spending thousands of dollars on this because of something that was promised for this Duskruin which isn’t actually done and there isn’t actually any details as to what they are eventually buying. People are investing time and money into this and also holding off buying other things at DR.. I think they kind of deserve to know if it’s worth their efforts.


Date: 08/21/2017 10:02 AM CDT
From: OMRII
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
>>The main issue is that people are spending thousands of dollars on this because

The people who are would be doing that regardless.


Date: 08/21/2017 10:12 AM CDT
From: RBALDWIN
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
I wouldnt be. I already have enough BS to purchase what I want. I have no clue how much my padding/weighting will cost or if I even want to proceed with it. In the meantime aince that is an unknown variable I might as well keep grinding in case I need more. But no, I would rather not spend more time than necessary repetively grinding the arena. Just my two cents.


Date: 08/21/2017 10:22 AM CDT
From: CHUCK3B
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
They can cater to your need to know something they don’t actually know all the details of yet (since aspects could be forced to change as it’s being finished)-and get blasted for anything that changes in the end-or they can use that time to finish. Me, I’d rather they spent that valuable time finishing. Yes, I’ve saved up BS for this too-that I might or might not end up using. But it’s not a world-ending situation (for me anyway).

I think the alternative might have been NOT trying to offer this update at this Duskruin or holding off on Duskruin for a few weeks. For reasons of their own they didn’t feel they could do Duskruin at the start of September, but it might have avoided the angst some people are feeling. But either way, I trust they are doing the very best they can. They always do.


Date: 08/21/2017 10:36 AM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Out of curiosity could the one person not have an invite yet because they have been doing group arenas and are never lead? Also do you need to be the leader of the group to get the arena leader title?

Fyrentennimar

Quote: “Jaynah says, “This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.””


Date: 08/21/2017 10:40 AM CDT
From: GAMING2K
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
I’m definitely not questioning that they are doing their best to get this up and running. But Simu at the end of the day is making more and more money off an unknown variable that could actually be a nerf because of the mistake that was made from the last run by selling hcp 6x for 15k bloodscrip.

And if it’s not a nerf and it’s actually awesome now people have to go out and grind more smithy invites which gives Simu more money. So anyone running it now up until they use their invite will have to grind it out again.

So you pay to grind and pay to grind some more even though you already earned enough bloodscrip.


Date: 08/21/2017 10:49 AM CDT
From: VANKRASN39
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines

>So you pay to grind and pay to grind some more even though you already earned enough bloodscrip.

huh?


Date: 08/21/2017 10:58 AM CDT
From: GAMING2K
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Smithy invites


Date: 08/21/2017 11:04 AM CDT
From: VANKRASN39
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
>Smithy invites

hire someone else to use theirs


Date: 08/21/2017 11:13 AM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
>>hire someone else to use theirs

who wants to spend a ton of rl time and money just to have to pay who knows how much to someone else, not because they didn’t put in enough work to get their pay, but because the system is against them.

For my I have one perfect run in my career. I have finished less than ten times in 99 runs this time around I think. For someone like me sure buy it from someone else however, considering I got it on my second time clearing the arena, not one perfect run at that point. Most of the people I know of who have one got it within 60 perfect runs, at least less than 100. Given that data the fact that some people have well over 100 runs, did that one person say 200? It seems kind of a slap in the face.

Keep in mind they said perfect runs give a far better shot at an invite. A lot of people have their invite and all the scrip they need for now, why keep playing the lotto if the odds really are 0% at hitting the jackpot?
Fyrentennimar

Quote: “Jaynah says, “This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.””


Date: 08/21/2017 11:25 AM CDT
From: VANKRASN39
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
>who wants to spend a ton of rl time and money just to have to pay who knows how much to someone else, not because they didn’t put in enough work to get their pay, but because the system is against them.

That’s how it’s always worked. Buying another player’s service slot is a time-honored GS tradition.

>It seems kind of a slap in the face.

oh no you didn’t!


Date: 08/21/2017 12:07 PM CDT
From: GSLOVER
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Has it been confirmed what is the threshold for the chance to get an invite?

I’ve yet to get one, though being sub-L50 I don’t have a hope of getting multiple perfect runs. I do, however, clear out all creatures a few times and most often I will at the very least survive but run out of time. I usually get between 218-235 BS. No invite yet, though it makes me a bit hesitant that people with a giant amount of perfect runs aren’t getting one.

I’ve got 2 perfect runs in my career and I am certain those were from last DR in April. I may end up getting one or two more this run, but I most often end up getting past the 4th champion and then running out of time before killing the 5th. And when I do kill the 5th, I often don’t have enough time leftover to get the perfect score.


Date: 08/21/2017 12:13 PM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Since they’re tracking statistics, it could also be hoped that if you put in a tremendous performance above your norm–such as being “sub-150” and getting a 215 on one run–you might qualify.

Anyhow, that’s one thing that could be done with statistics. 🙂


Date: 08/29/2017 03:39 PM CDT
From: CHULAK
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
>>For weighting legit vorpal sword of doom (I’m talking borderline unobtainable stats):
>>Using 20 ‘services’ will cost you 27765 bloodscrip
>>Using all 25 ‘services’ will cost you 62700 bloodscrip

>>Zissu – Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

With this information in mind from the preview values of a borderline unobtainable stats vorpal sword of doom, I’m curious why my difficult to obtain, yet still achievable, stats mattock is registering at over double this to add the damage weighting to.
Yet crit weighting would be a touch lower than that above estimate, I can’t even get an extra point of weighting from this event. This isn’t to mention that at 25 services per I would pay over 10x the amount of a +10 open weighting cert price from the prior Duskruins to hit the same amount, excluding the additional time needed. At 20 services per I’d be able to hit that +10 amount with only spending a bit over twice as much while extending the time needed by nearly a year (300 days minimum from 5 60-day service windows maxing at 20 per window).

7x, perfect, T1 ensorcell, 30 points crit weighting, GoryWeapon script, Undead Bane(fire flare)
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Summary


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Item: a rolaren war mattock whose long haft is wrapped in wolf pelts matted by gory remains
Modified Weighting Type: Damage
Current Service Window Count: 0
Service Window Reset: 0d 0h 0m
Estimated Costs:
Next Service: 1465 bloodscrip
Next 5 Services: 7325 bloodscrip
Next 10 Services: 16,481 bloodscrip
Next 15 Services: 38,456 bloodscrip
Next 20 Services: 64,093 bloodscrip
Next 25 Services: 144,668 bloodscrip
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Summary


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Item: a rolaren war mattock whose long haft is wrapped in wolf pelts matted by gory remains
Modified Weighting Type: Critical
Current Service Window Count: 0
Service Window Reset: 0d 0h 0m
Estimated Costs:
Next Service: 511 bloodscrip
Next 5 Services: 2557 bloodscrip
Next 10 Services: 5754 bloodscrip
Next 15 Services: 13,426 bloodscrip
Next 20 Services: 22,378 bloodscrip
Next 25 Services: 50,510 bloodscrip
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Speaking in Faendryl, Jahosk says, “You will now be known as Blade Durakar, the Palestra.”


Date: 08/29/2017 04:12 PM CDT
From: BRIARFOX
Subj: Re: Weighting/Padding/Sighting – Cost Guidelines
Very cool, Coase and Zissu! Thank you, everyone, for the hard work.

One head’s up on a potential side effect of the changes: When I asked Heartfire to assess my armor, he only saw the light damage padding I had just added. He should have been able to see the heavy crit padding it had previously as well. Can ASSESS eventually be updated?

~ Nuadjha, the Briar Fox

You inhale deeply upon your pipe, puckering your lips as you send out three rings of smoke before you, then puff out a small vine of smoke that darts right through all three which causes them to disperse in a hazy shroud!

 

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