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Wyrom on High End Scrip Shop Decisions This Duskruin April 2017

Big Boss Wyrom posted with news/updates on the High End Scrip Shop offerings for this coming Duskruin. There’s good news, bad news, and better news! Read through the thread for more snippets of info, as he answers questions.

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Category: Paid Events: Adventures, Quests, and SimuCoins
Topic: Duskruin Arena

Date: 04/19/2017 01:08 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Scrip Shop Updates
After some discussions, we have made the following decisions.

I’ll start with the bad… Due to the argument on wizard abilities being more freely offered, we are officially retiring the enchanting certificates from Duskruin, permanently. This is largely due to the new enchanting changes, but also due to consistent complaints on the subject matter. We have never did this to tread on wizard abilities, while protecting other profession abilities. Enchant offerings have occurred due to 25 years of precedence, but we realize we need to start somewhere. In their place, we have added the enchanting potions back in.

Moving on to the unknown. Prior to my post that really only spoke about certificates, we never really touched on other high end offerings, but assumptions were quickly made, and personal attacks got my thread closed. We have removed some things from the table, however, we have some really nice things to offer here too. This run, we are offering the censers from the Great Auction. This will be an exclusive offer to this run only. If they don’t sell, they will not be returning. There are some other items too, which I was hoping to leave as a bit of a “oh wow” experience when browsing. But they were some things that were asked for. You’ll see in roughly 2 days of this post!

We have replaced the Splitter and VolnArmor certificates at their base cost (175,000). I highly recommend all of you who claimed you wanted to buy it this run to do so, as they will not be returning after this.

We have added an AsG certificate (not AG, sorry Brinret). This is a bit of a strenuous service, so please make sure you truly want it. We have found in almost all cases of offering it, people want to revert.

Zelnorn weapons aren’t being offered this run, but should there be a demand for them, we may consider them at future run. Keep in mind, your weapon would be just 2x/2x. The random object generator spits out similar or better and they regularly just get sold off.

As a general tidbit to everyone, when suggestion items and services for sale, be sure it’s actually stuff you want. It’s stressful and frustrating to go up to bat for this stuff, and then there is no interest.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 04/19/2017 01:14 PM CDT
From: ASHRAAM
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
>> I’ll start with the bad… Due to the argument on wizard abilities being more freely offered, we are officially retiring the enchanting certificates from Duskruin, permanently. This is largely due to the new enchanting changes, but also due to consistent complaints on the subject matter. We have never did this to tread on wizard abilities, while protecting other profession abilities. Enchant offerings have occurred due to 25 years of precedence, but we realize we need to start somewhere. In their place, we have added the enchanting potions back in.

This makes absolutely ZERO sense until you make it possible for wizards to enchant ANYTHING. Right now the only method of enchanting padded / flaring (non-elemental) and otherwise unique items is through premium points and merchant enchanting services. There is absolutely no reason that the vocal minority (frankly sounded like a single individual) should literally ruin the opportunity cost to improve equipment that they themselves cannot improve either.

Anyone buying an enchanting voucher from DR for 25,000+ bloodscrip just to take a vanilla item up a single enchant is an idiot and deserves to over-pay for these items.

The argument that ensorcelling or forging is at all comparable to enchanting is false. They are not restricted. Players can forge weapons to perfect and then modify them. Players can ensorcell just about anything in the game. There are massive amounts of items in this game that simply cannot be enchanted by players, and therefore need an enchanting service from other sources.

Hate to see GMs cave to pressure from a tiny minority of the population like this. Sorry Wyrom, despite all the incredible changes and additions you’ve brought to the game, establishing this precedent is a terrible idea.


Date: 04/19/2017 01:21 PM CDT
From: SVEN2010
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
The logic behind the enchanting cert changes makes sense. I’m sure the wizards will be happy about that. For the rest of us who have non-wizard enchantable items- we still have premium points (which are often a better deal than the certs honestly)

Thanks for updating us on some of the other things being offered. The tidbit at the end is a good reminder for us all. Personally, it’s hard to predict what will ultimately catch my attention (your post made me realize that I’ve never walked out of DR with the exact things I had planned on getting when I walked in)- I can imagine it’s tough to predict what even we can’t seem to predict. In some ways though, it’s a testament to the high quality selection you give us every run.

Ultimately, hard work here is always appreciated.


Date: 04/19/2017 01:32 PM CDT
From: HJELTE
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
With the emphasis on enchanting potions, and a reduction of alternatives… any chance of a reduction of base cost, reduction of marginal cost increase per purchase, or a lower cost cap for this round? I can see these costs getting out of hand fast.

~Whirlin


Date: 04/19/2017 01:34 PM CDT
From: VICIMER
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

I hope nobody was banking on using scrip to get things enchanted that can’t be enchanted by players.

**********************
A quick flick of Wyrom’s wrist sends a dagger into flight!
The thorny barrier surrounding you blocks Wyrom’s attack!
One of the vines surrounding you lashes out at Wyrom, driving a thorn into his skin! Wyrom flinches slightly.


Date: 04/19/2017 01:38 PM CDT
From: AGONY42
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
>This makes absolutely ZERO sense until you make it possible for wizards to enchant ANYTHING.

This, a million times. My 8x, 9x, 10x potions don’t do me much good when armor is padded.

I would alternatively accept the removal the ridiculous restrictions on enchanting when it’s offered via raffle, auction, etc. There is no reason everyone should have to suffer because of a handful of vocal complainers. And I’m saying this as a wizard main. ?_?

~Issalya

You see High Inquisitor Brinret Ithillote the Executor of Vengeance.
She appears to be of elven descent.
He is very tall and appears to be full grown.
You whisper aloud, “I’m so confused right now.”


Date: 04/19/2017 01:40 PM CDT
From: KOMBAT
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
This announcement just saved me a few hundred dollars and time sitting at my computer going through the sewers.


Date: 04/19/2017 01:40 PM CDT
From: YACKEYR
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
<I’ll start with the bad… Due to the argument on wizard abilities being more freely offered, we are officially retiring the enchanting certificates from Duskruin, permanently. This is largely due to the new enchanting changes, but also due to consistent complaints on the subject matter. We have never did this to tread on wizard abilities, while protecting other profession abilities. Enchant offerings have occurred due to 25 years of precedence, but we realize we need to start somewhere. In their place, we have added the enchanting potions back in.>

LOL. April Fools was 18 days ago. Good joke though.


Date: 04/19/2017 01:49 PM CDT
From: RIKKOCHET
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
To say that I am disapppointed by this decision is a vast understatement.

I can also guess that at least in Plat it’s going to cost Simu a fair, if not sizable, degree of participation in DR. I had planned on spending a good chunk of time to boost three items I can’t get enchanted by players and don’t have Plat points for, but now I’ll just go window shopping and do my normal game play.

Thank you for the effort of refreshing old shop inventory and building new ones. I might buy some of the new stuff, but DR at this point in time has ceased to be something I am interested in.

Wee Sleepy Gnomette

Cloth-of-eonake: for when you absolutely, positively need to have zombie-impenetrable underwear. – Denil

When my scripts are acting up, I take Modrian with Coding. After a few hours, they feel like new! – MAXMANJ


Date: 04/19/2017 02:01 PM CDT
From: OMRII
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
Will enchanting restrictions be removed some how? There are a number of raffles I’ve avoided entering because fusion items were immediately disqualified. I’ll be looking to have existing aspects of items removed as there is not a viable option for enchanting. While AsG change and other items will be appreciated, enchants for a myriad of items which I cannot have worked on otherwise was my primary motivation.

I suppose I can find out what the PP cost is to enchant a 7x +40 Crit Weighted returner. I’m guessing the number will scare me.

–Omrii


Date: 04/19/2017 02:03 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
Duskruin certificates weren’t allowing anything to be done, just as clarification. A 7x +40 weighting returner would likely be denied.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 04/19/2017 02:03 PM CDT
From: KWARTON
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
I’m a wizard, and the removal of the certs are devastating and completely sap my enthusiasm for this event.

Our requests for player-like services were based on a desire to expand the pool of services available to players that are not otherwise within the capabilities of other players. Unless you are going to provide the capability to enchant weighted/padded items, this is the case for those chits.

I fear you’ve listened to the vocal minority of players who treat this game as an income-supplementing business rather than as a game to enjoy out of love or nostalgia. I’ve been supportive of this game and current staff (check my simucoin purchases), but this decision is a complete head-scratcher and the opposite of what the majority of players (including me) want.

I hope you will reconsider.


Date: 04/19/2017 02:04 PM CDT
From: OMRII
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
>> A 7x +40 weighting returner would likely be denied.

Now you tell me, zombie man. Haha


Date: 04/19/2017 02:06 PM CDT
From: JOEKUPS
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
>>We have added an AsG certificate (not AG, sorry Brinret). This is a bit of a strenuous service, so please make sure you truly want it. We have found in almost all cases of offering it, people want to revert.

To be clear, I can’t make Brig armor into full leathers with this? I can only go from brig to leather breastplate? If so, “Be careful what you wish for” because as much as Beldannon wants the fisherman title, I just want this stupid script to eat frosting out of my toes into leather I can actually wear. It really sucks not being able to get an old script that was a one off offering and the only people that bought it either don’t want to sell, don’t have the right armor type, or don’t play the game anymore which means the items just disappear seemingly never to be offered again or unlocked further.


Date: 04/19/2017 02:10 PM CDT
From: UBERWENCH
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
>This makes absolutely ZERO sense until you make it possible for wizards to enchant ANYTHING. Right now the only method of enchanting padded / flaring (non-elemental) and otherwise unique items is through premium points and merchant enchanting services.

I understand it in theory and even agree that enchanting’s overall value should be retained for wizards, but in practice, there are so many items that can’t be touched by PC mages that I’m sorry to see it go. On the other hand, it’ll save me some money as I won’t be pursuing the high-end certificate for it.

>I hope nobody was banking on using scrip to get things enchanted that can’t be enchanted by players.

I was planning to do just that. The item I’d like enchanted is padded, and it’s also got a shapeshifting script on it (armor that turns into clothing). I can’t have a player enchant it because of the padding. I can’t get it enchanted with premium points because of the script, according to my Sadie scroll rejection. And now I find I can’t get it enchanted through Duskruin. There’s always winning a raffle at EG, I guess.

I truly enjoy that armor and planned to make it my pet project, but if it’s improved as much as it can improve, that’s disappointing. Any chance I can talk to someone about spending extra PP to have it done?

— Lauren, Lylia’s player


Date: 04/19/2017 02:16 PM CDT
From: AGONY42
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
>A 7x +40 weighting returner would likely be denied.

Considering the things that have been allowed to be enchanted in Plat via Duskruin (including this same returner, twice), I find that unlikely.

~Issalya

You see High Inquisitor Brinret Ithillote the Executor of Vengeance.
She appears to be of elven descent.
He is very tall and appears to be full grown.
You whisper aloud, “I’m so confused right now.”


Date: 04/19/2017 02:24 PM CDT
From: RIKKOCHET
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
I guess my 8x spirit bow, 8x ithzir armor with disintegrate flares, and 5x claid are about as high as they’re going to get at this point. The first two of which would have been on the rejection list, I suppose.

Not like PCs can touch any of them.

Wee Sleepy Gnomette

Cloth-of-eonake: for when you absolutely, positively need to have zombie-impenetrable underwear. – Denil

When my scripts are acting up, I take Modrian with Coding. After a few hours, they feel like new! – MAXMANJ


Date: 04/19/2017 02:27 PM CDT
From: YACKEYR
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
One other thing that hasn’t been mentioned yet. This sets precedence to never allow enchanting via merchant service again. But I’m sure this only for Duskruin, not all the other merchants that do enchants.


Date: 04/19/2017 02:28 PM CDT
From: ATALYCUS
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates

Like someone mentioned on the other forums maybe a poll would have been a good idea for this. I dont usually buy stuff as i am a seller. I was going to take a weapon from 6x to 7x. However until enchanting is freedup more this is really a bogus idea. I am curious if you would have had like 2 or 3 people for removing from dr.

WRYOM

We all or most of us appreciate what you do even if we complain a bit but this move is beyond comprehension!


Date: 04/19/2017 02:38 PM CDT
From: LEAFIARA
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
I have the sinking feeling I’m going to spend very silly amounts of money getting one of those censers…


Date: 04/19/2017 02:38 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
>>Considering the things that have been allowed to be enchanted in Plat via Duskruin (including this same returner, twice), I find that unlikely.

That was not enchanted at all in 2016 since the scrip shop existed. Are you sure of that?

Platinum had a special way to handle the high end offerings where we auctioned and played a game with many things.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 04/19/2017 02:38 PM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
Rabble rabble rabble rabble! Rabble rabble!

I had to (I wasn’t even eyeing enchanting, as you can imagine, lots of other stuff I wanted to spend my scrip on)


Date: 04/19/2017 02:38 PM CDT
From: DOUG
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
Oof.

While one of us has given to the cry so frequently it is for all intents and purposes a sig block more than it is an element of feedback, there’ve been several wizards each working his or her own way to bring about some parity between other professions’ spell accessibility and wizards’ spell accessibility. I can only imagine the discussions – especially since like no other profession the wizard profession was initially seen as a ‘utility’ profession; meaning a wide-spread applicability of the profession’s abilities needed to be available to the lands. We now contract a bit from that.

I’m worried about two or three steps beyond this particular change, based on what I see as potential responses. But, and in this if in nothing else Wyrom and team all deserve our support, ‘we have to start somewhere’.

This is new ground for the lands, and something that will shape over time. The impact in the now cannot help but be felt. But let us work as a community towards smoothing it out to the bump it can be, rather than the wall it threatens to become.

Doug


Date: 04/19/2017 02:42 PM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates

>> This is new ground for the lands, and something that will shape over time. The impact in the now cannot help but be felt. But let us work as a community towards smoothing it out to the bump it can be, rather than the wall it threatens to become.

I would rather people focus on “without this, what’s your pain, and reasonably ask for that pain to be releived.”

Merchant enchants have the following benefits

No Risk (However this is no longer an exclusive benefit)
Able to go above 7x (With Restrictions) (This may be reduced to acceptable levels by potions being more available)
Can do flaring gear (Basic flares can now be enchanted, but non-basic are still a gap)
Can do Weighted/Padded Gear

So focusing on the remaining gaps to players filling the hole… let’s start asking questions like “Allowing players to enchant basic flares didn’t set the game on fire, so how about we start talking about non-basic flares” or “Let’s start talking about Weighted/Padded gear.”

It the response back is “under no condition will those things be added” THEN we can discuss mobbing.


Date: 04/19/2017 02:45 PM CDT
From: ATALYCUS
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates

my 6x which isn’t the greatest weapon in the world has unbalance flares. Unless I am crazy that is on the no go list as of now. So I am stuck until they change it or until they add auto enchant for script at another duskruin or until i buy pp or save up enough.


Date: 04/19/2017 02:50 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
Let’s not forget, 3 enchant certificates were purchased last year. And we had mentioned that many things would be retiring. So I’m having a tough time with taking a lot of this seriously. Platinum excluded since we handled things MUCH differently.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 04/19/2017 02:50 PM CDT
From: AGONY42
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
>That was not enchanted at all in 2016 since the scrip shop existed. Are you sure of that?
Well, I’ll tell the owner of it to check the enchant. Considering he’s the one saying he had it done twice in 2016.

>Platinum had a special way to handle the high end offerings where we auctioned and played a game with many things.
I wasn’t there for that. But we later had the scrip shop, too. Is there going to be another special way to handle stuff in Platinum? The radio silence on our boards has been a little disconcerting considering the number of posts/questions being asked.

~Issalya

You see High Inquisitor Brinret Ithillote the Executor of Vengeance.
She appears to be of elven descent.
He is very tall and appears to be full grown.
You whisper aloud, “I’m so confused right now.”


Date: 04/19/2017 02:57 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
>>Well, I’ll tell the owner of it to check the enchant. Considering he’s the one saying he had it done twice in 2016.

I spoke with them about it, and it did get enchanted. The issue came when we reduced the pricing for Platinum and had to wipe the sales data.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 04/19/2017 02:58 PM CDT
From: CRAZLI
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
>Let’s not forget, 3 enchant certificates were purchased last year.

I just want to point out that just because a specific service was not purchased in large quantities one run does not mean it would not be on another.

These three certificates could have been people who felt that the enchant was the best way to improve their item, whereas, with a one-service-per-item limitation, many others chose to do things such as add padding or improve their flares.


Date: 04/19/2017 03:05 PM CDT
From: GILCHRISTR
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
I wonder if the lack of enchant certificate purchases could have been related to the uncertainty surrounding enchanting changes. I think last time enchant certificates were offered, there was a big question mark about what player enchanting would look like (don’t want to spend BS on an enchant certificate that nets you what your highly trained wizard might be able to do in a few months).


Date: 04/19/2017 03:09 PM CDT
From: ATALYCUS
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates

3 is a low number. However we all know what assuming does. There are certaim things you expect and obviously i should change my expectations. Seriously though i dont get the taking without at least putting feelers out. One person talked about ensorcell if i remember right and enchating at dr went away at least for now. Unless i am crazy.

I like to gamble so i will be there of course but this saddens me.

Okay on to a different question that has been asked a few timea. Will there be any chance of a sale for this dr (simucoins)


Date: 04/19/2017 03:13 PM CDT
From: ARCHIGEEK
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
Also, whether or not something was done at the last Duskruin isn’t JUST an indicator of demand for the service, but is an indicator of whether or not the price made sense to the buyer. The prices for a lot of this stuff are into the stratosphere, making them only sensible to people who already have uber gear. I know we had problems with formulaic pricing for work on existing gear at CCF and RtCF, but it seems as though the Duskruin answer to that problem is to charge EVERYONE the uber gear price. “No one bought this so it must not be wanted” doesn’t cover the reality of the situation for most players. As someone who has uber gear, I think it would be worth looking at tiered pricing, in an effort to make the event more attractive to players without fancy stuff.

Kerl


Date: 04/19/2017 03:14 PM CDT
From: LESLIEANNA
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
any word on padding?


Date: 04/19/2017 03:14 PM CDT
From: RIKKOCHET
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
3 might be in prime because of scaling costs. I know I bought at least that many in plat. I was aiming for that many in plat this time, but that probably isn’t going to to happen.

Wee Sleepy Gnomette

Cloth-of-eonake: for when you absolutely, positively need to have zombie-impenetrable underwear. – Denil

When my scripts are acting up, I take Modrian with Coding. After a few hours, they feel like new! – MAXMANJ


Date: 04/19/2017 03:22 PM CDT
From: CANDIDE
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates

I get the fact that wizards should be where to go for enchanting services. Moving this to the players is good for gemstone, but as has already been noted there are tons of things that a wizard still cant enchant. Please consider releasing wizard/player enchanting from its prison in light of removing enchanting services from everything but premium point enchants by allowing for the limited release (as often as you used to plan on offering enchanting services) of player enchant potions to padding/weighting/scripting.

I consider the x8-x10 potions to be too high so I haven’t gotten any. Please do not consider my lack of buying them for me not wanting them.

That goes for plenty of services that have been offered at Duskruin actually. I have wanted a ton of them. 🙂 What I have gotten (and I think its been a good amount of stuff) was what I considered worth the cost in time/money. IE at the 2016 auction I ended up (along with my partner) with a weight reducing cloak. if that cloak was up for 80k in bloodscrip (about my conversion rate) I would consider getting it, but the time it costs to get those 80k would also be a consideration. I paid that price because it was available without the 300-350 runs it would take to get to 80k in bloodscrip.

So do not consider items that do not get bought as undesirable Wyrom. There is a bunch of things to factor in from the player side other than X service is available and Y amount was sold.

GBB


Date: 04/19/2017 03:23 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
>>Also, whether or not something was done at the last Duskruin isn’t JUST an indicator of demand for the service, but is an indicator of whether or not the price made sense to the buyer. The prices for a lot of this stuff are into the stratosphere, making them only sensible to people who already have uber gear. I know we had problems with formulaic pricing for work on existing gear at CCF and RtCF, but it seems as though the Duskruin answer to that problem is to charge EVERYONE the uber gear price. “No one bought this so it must not be wanted” doesn’t cover the reality of the situation for most players. As someone who has uber gear, I think it would be worth looking at tiered pricing, in an effort to make the event more attractive to players without fancy stuff.

Tier pricing is our aim. Unfortunately it is not ready now. Just will have to wait and see, I suppose.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 04/19/2017 03:31 PM CDT
From: TARAKAN
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
Without a willingness to spend $1k and an entire week slamming a single run to farm script at the amounts needed to purchase the highest stuff, the rotating of stock adds unwelcome uncertainty to an accrual strategy. Rather than continually favoring the same 10 players that do this, why not juse sell script or services for cash directly?

Tarakan


Date: 04/19/2017 03:35 PM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
I would like to take a moment to mention that I have purchased a large number of 20,000 and below items over the last few runs, and in the expectation that while the inventories might shift, there will still likely be “some resist armor, some fun flaring weapons” etc. I still plan to make purchases.

Duskruin’s highest tier rewards have always been a little above my effort range, honestly. But I did want to at least mention, with all the other discussions going on, that I absolutely plan to buy “stuff” at this Duskruin, it just may not be high end stuff.

Especially those easels that were teased. I might have to arrange some accidents if the fully unlocked ones end up being as neat as they seem and I can’t get one.


Date: 04/19/2017 03:43 PM CDT
From: COLEMANJ
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates
^
I’m with this guy… girl… person.

The high end scrip shop stuff has ceased to interest me at the current pricing. HOWEVER, I’m rather interested in the parasitic weaponry, and some of the other items sold in the static (in regards to pricing) shops.

I’m curious to see what else is there that wasn’t mentioned.


Date: 04/19/2017 03:46 PM CDT
From: ATALYCUS
Subj: Re: Scrip Shop Updates

Dont get me wrong i am looking forward to all the new stuff. Just wanted enchanting. So i still am happy just not as happy

 

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