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Wyrom on Deep Sea Diving Odds and T5 Wins

Big Kahuna Wyrom steps out and answers a question about Odds of a T5 win during Deep Sea Diving. I thought you might be interested. They’re higher than digging and mini games. They are higher than Duskruin sewers for rarer items. Roughly the same as Dollhouse T5, but different.

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Category: Paid Events: Adventures, Quests, and SimuCoins
Topic: Ebon Gate Festival

Date: 10/08/2017 01:03 PM CDT
From: SVEN2010
Subj: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
Out of curiosity- how much higher are the DSD odds of getting an item from the T5/unique feeder vs the other non-fishing games?


Date: 10/08/2017 02:02 PM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?

Yeah, after ten weeks worth of simucoins I’m starting to wonder the same.

And if the regular games got a rate nerf too


Date: 10/08/2017 02:16 PM CDT
From: PEREGRINEFALCON
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
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>> Yeah, after ten weeks worth of simucoins I’m starting to wonder the same.

>> And if the regular games got a rate nerf too

Note: Complete speculation on my part to follow.

It’s always seemed to me that Gemstone has operated on some sort of budget system for items they are willing to give out at any given event / in any given year. I strongly suspect that the ‘budget’ for the sought after T5 prizes hasn’t really changed vs. prior years so with roughly 4x as much opportunity (time) for people to win prizes it would make sense (in a warped Gemstone prize logic sort of way) that the odds of winning a T5 prize would need to be roughly reduced to a quarter of what it has been in prior years.

While there may be some flexibilty on the item ‘budget’ side, I know in the past NIRs have referred to limits and challenges with leaving events open for an extended period as a result.

Given that additionally it sounds like the same T5 pool of items also feeds into the paid event (DSD) it wouldn’t surprise me at all ton find that the regular (silver based) games odds (for a T5) have been reduced rather substantially to compensate for both of these items.

— Robert

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Date: 10/08/2017 02:21 PM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
>> Note: Complete speculation on my part to follow.

The implication of this from a price perspective is…ungood.

Rabble! Where’s my broom.


Date: 10/08/2017 02:30 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
>>Out of curiosity- how much higher are the DSD odds of getting an item from the T5/unique feeder vs the other non-fishing games?

Odds a much higher in comparison to games and digging. Odds are higher than Duskruin sewers for rarer items. Odds are roughly the same for a T5 as Delirium, but different. You can also boost your odds with items.

>>And if the regular games got a rate nerf too

Nothing at all is nerfed. In fact games and digging got a slight buff during the last Duskruin Dig.

>>It’s always seemed to me that Gemstone has operated on some sort of budget system for items they are willing to give out at any given event / in any given year. I strongly suspect that the ‘budget’ for the sought after T5 prizes hasn’t really changed vs. prior years so with roughly 4x as much opportunity (time) for people to win prizes it would make sense (in a warped Gemstone prize logic sort of way) that the odds of winning a T5 prize would need to be roughly reduced to a quarter of what it has been in prior years.

This is hogwash at its finest. Nothing at all like this exists, and never has.

>>Given that additionally it sounds like the same T5 pool of items also feeds into the paid event (DSD) it wouldn’t surprise me at all ton find that the regular (silver based) games odds (for a T5) have been reduced rather substantially to compensate for both of these items.

T5 are game feeder quality. The same stuff you’d find playing the core game hunting (boxfounds). This hasn’t changed. Ever. Before the T6 existed, some T6 items were always mixed into the T5 feeder. In 2014, which I consider the year that tipped the scale, some REALLY nice stuff was approved for the T5 feeder that really jaded everyone’s feelings on feeder items going forward. So we separated out those jackpot wins into their own feeder and made them a bit harder to obtain than a T5.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 10/08/2017 02:33 PM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
Is it possible to share the number of unlimited style game plays that are considered a standard week? Basically, the expected number of plays point?

Yes, I’m trying to figure out if it’s better to buy a bunch of games passes or dive, if it helps, my budget is fixed either way…


Date: 10/08/2017 02:39 PM CDT
From: SVEN2010
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
Thanks for the extra info!

How much higher are the odds than a regular mini-game? Like 1.5x? 2x? Knowing would be helfpul as far as deciding where to put my time (and potentialy money)

Also, which items would help odds?


Date: 10/08/2017 02:45 PM CDT
From: ROBLAR
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
Harpoons, bellows, and fishing nets – used to overcome monsterbold creature/obstacles you encounter underwater.

They should net you some short bonus.


Date: 10/08/2017 02:55 PM CDT
From: COLEMANJ
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?

>They should net you some short bonus.

I see what you did there


Date: 10/08/2017 02:57 PM CDT
From: ROBLAR
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
😉


Date: 10/08/2017 03:54 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
>>Is it possible to share the number of unlimited style game plays that are considered a standard week? Basically, the expected number of plays point?

You can get WAAAAY more bang for your buck playing games and digging, but it will also have the silver costs and higher time elements.

It boils down to what do you want to get out of this. Do you just want to win really cool stuff? Do you need favor for the quest? Do you like incidental loot? Do you want X seashells?

Luck is also a major element in all this.

>>How much higher are the odds than a regular mini-game? Like 1.5x? 2x? Knowing would be helfpul as far as deciding where to put my time (and potentialy money)

It’s different, but the odds at winning something like a jackpot are 25x better. Don’t read that as common or more likely though.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 10/08/2017 04:28 PM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
>> It’s different, but the odds at winning something like a jackpot are 25x better. Don’t read that as common or more likely though.

That’s exactly what I needed. And yeah, I know that 25X miniscule is still slim.

It lets me know that the tipping point for Games to diving is much lower than I originally thought. Also that games have been way better than most people think in the past, if the rate holds between dsd and delirium.


Date: 10/08/2017 04:31 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
Keep in mind, games/digging are only better because it’s unlimited numbers you can keep going for a week straight. Someone not pushing the limits on digging isn’t going to have the same returns as someone who spends 100k and is done.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 10/08/2017 04:40 PM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?
>>Keep in mind, games/digging are only better because it’s unlimited numbers you can keep going for a week straight. Someone not pushing the limits on digging isn’t going to have the same returns as someone who spends 100k and is done.

Yup. But if you don’t care about time, it takes about 5 hours of continual game playing for games to be better than diving (For Top Tier Wins). Yes, I know that time has value to some, but that lets myself, and others, know what we have to consider our relative value and money etc.

Keep in mind that for some things, such as tickets and quest progress, I am over the tipping point. Further tickets/quest progress is of near 0 value to me, because I’m done.


Date: 10/08/2017 10:35 PM CDT
From: ICEFLOE
Subj: Re: Deep Sea Diving Odds of T5?

Is this boosting only outside the premium area since there is nothing in the ship to block you? and what sort of things are the boosting? the nets and stuff or something else?

 

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