Wyrom Explains The Quality of Life Updates for the Bank Heist
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Mayhem Master Wyrom made some Quality of Life updates to the Bank Heist. Timer gets paused during the boss battle. But the boss can summon backup. There’s a chance to encounter no enemies. The Poisoned Heretics now have more distinguished Boss (when you work for Silent Investors). Odds of finding rare and very rares upped quite a bit. He’s posted it in detail at the officials:
Category: Paid Events: Adventures, Quests, and SimuCoins Topic: Duskruin Arena
Date: 06/17/2018 02:16 AM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Heist QoL Updates
Given feedback in Prime, I’ve made some new changes that will be live in just a moment.
The timer in the Bank Heist is now paused during the boss battle. While it was intended for you to lose if you didn’t complete the last step before being moved out, it was a bit confusing, but the reasoning was because the waves you faced were not the ONLY waves in the bank. It was like a game of cat and mouse. Regardless, that feature no longer exists.
Due to the timer being paused, the boss can summon unlimited backup (adds) to add some difficulty that isn’t a tight timer.
There is now a chance that you will encounter no enemies in the bank. You’ll need to perform a simple task to move on.
The Poisoned Heretics now have a more distinguished boss (when you play as a Silent Investor).
Odds to find rare and very rare artifacts have been upped quite a bit. The blood crystal is considered extremely rare. Overall, the odds are much better than moonshard pendants now.
Wyrom, PM
Date: 06/17/2018 09:47 AM CDT
From: PSYPHRON10
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Think there is something funky going on with the boss in the OC heist.
A pair of clawed arms whistles for some watchdogs to come to its aid!
With a snarling growl and bared teeth, a heavy-jowled Silent Investor watchdog rushes in.
A mangled arm whistles for some watchdogs to come to its aid!
With a snarling growl and bared teeth, a heavy-jowled Silent Investor watchdog rushes in.
I could figure out why I was getting swarmed by watchdogs, turns out my grasp of graves arms were calling them in. I saw a watchdog whistle, but i assumed that was an intentional mechanic.
A heavy-jowled Silent Investor watchdog whistles for some watchdogs to come to her aid!
With a snarling growl and bared teeth, a heavy-jowled Silent Investor watchdog rushes in.
Date: 06/17/2018 10:21 AM CDT
From: GS4-HALISTE
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
I have nothing to offer here to help, but I have to say that made me laugh. I totally get why you would be confused there!
~ Haliste ~ SGM, Events Auntie H, Forever
Date: 06/17/2018 11:17 AM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Yeah, I have to disable anything that summons creatures. I always forget about that spell. I’ll see what I can do with it. Until then, watch out for Addams Thing.
Wyrom, PM
Date: 06/17/2018 11:50 AM CDT
From: HATESHI
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Are the watchdogs intended to summon extra help in addition to the humanoid mobs?
>A heavy-jowled Silent Investor watchdog whistles for some watchdogs to come to his aid! >With a snarling growl and bared teeth, a heavy-jowled Silent Investor watchdog rushes in.
Mostly curious, since I’ve seen it happen a couple times now – which usually results in a ton of mobs in the same room since they can increase exponentially.
– Overlord EK
>You now regard Eorgina with a warm demeanor.
Date: 06/17/2018 12:55 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
>>Mostly curious, since I’ve seen it happen a couple times now – which usually results in a ton of mobs in the same room since they can increase exponentially.
The numbers of mobs in the room aren’t summoning more stuff. It’s a spawn event that is summoning. It’s just grabbing the wrong creatures for the messaging. That’s why the arms were whistling.
Only the boss (in the vault) can summon multiple times.
Wyrom, PM
Date: 06/17/2018 01:01 PM CDT
From: RISHIB1
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
I’m really confused. There’s supposed to be a boss battle in the last room? I somehow feel like I’ve never experienced that after getting to the vault (as part of the SI) – I kill the last mob in the vault (who has been similar to the previous mobs, at least I think so), wait a second or two, then type the command to start leaving the vault. Am I doing something wrong?
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Date: 06/17/2018 01:15 PM CDT
From: LAWRONIUS
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
As of right now the creatures in the final room are summoning more creatures themselves. I’ll kill the boss marauder or whatever, but the watchdogs or the eagles, etc will keep calling in more and more watchdogs and eagles until I can’t keep up and get Force-On-Force pecked to death. I know every player will be affected by balance changes differently, but I’m finding the new changes much harder than they were previously. It makes sense if you don’t kill the boss they keep summoning more hench-creatures, but the hench-creatures summoning more of themselves makes it extremely difficult for me to complete now unless I get lucky with my hits fast in that final room.
Date: 06/17/2018 01:16 PM CDT
From: LEIGO2
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Do different factions have different drop rate tables? There’s at least 2 non crystal pieces that feel tuned very very rare, unless that was the intent, or if we should be trying different factions.
Date: 06/17/2018 01:20 PM CDT
From: RIKKOCHET
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
There are 12 artifacts of four levels of rarity – the ringmaster gives differing levels of bloodscrip for them individually, as with the archaeologist and the moonshard pieces. So the egg, the slippers, and I believe the falcon although I might be wrong, are very rare compared to the monkey vase and the mandolin, for example.
The crystal is rarer than those last three pieces.
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Date: 06/17/2018 03:00 PM CDT
From: HATESHI
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
>The numbers of mobs in the room aren’t summoning more stuff. It’s a spawn event that is summoning. It’s just grabbing the wrong creatures for the messaging. That’s why the arms were whistling. Only the boss (in the vault) can summon multiple times.
Gotcha, thanks! I’ll focus on taking out the boss more, then, since that’ll stop the remainder of the event summoning.
– Overlord EK
>You now regard Eorgina with a warm demeanor.
Date: 06/17/2018 03:32 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Okay, Sunday fixes are in.
* No more whistling arms and animals. * Only marauders, assassins, and bandits can summon. * The Poisoned Heretics are awarded a heist bonus properly now. Cap for the PH is 220. You’ll still see Poisoned Heretics Entries: 0** though, since you are automatically awarded it (+1 -1). This is available in the DUSKRUIN verb in case of instances where you’re removed prematurely or you earn them another way (coming soon at a future Duskruin). * Dying in the heist with call familiar up and no deeds will stop being weird. (This is also fixed in the arena).
Wyrom, PM
Date: 06/17/2018 11:51 PM CDT
From: LUPINE
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Sorry but giving up on the Bank Heist. 5 runs and i cant get past 3 steps… as a caster i keep getting slapped in the head.. game mechanic is like targeting only my forehead. not worth the booklet to fail every time.
Date: 06/18/2018 12:13 AM CDT
From: BRANDTJRT
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
>>Sorry but giving up on the Bank Heist. 5 runs and i cant get past 3 steps… as a caster i keep getting slapped in the head.. game mechanic is like targeting only my forehead. not worth the booklet to fail every time.
Which one were you doing? It seems there can definitely be a lot of injuries, depending on which faction one is attempting and one’s skill set.
_ _ _ Myasara says, “Raining rocks down on my city was not the best course of action.” – – – Nishima put a group of five partially frozen corpses in the Nishima disk. Several frozen limbs peek out of the disk in a macabre fashion.
Date: 06/18/2018 02:12 AM CDT
From: ARAMUND
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
The addition of potentially unlimited waves is not a QoL change. It makes it significantly more difficult to complete the final enemy when five watchdogs spawn on you. Spending $100 on Simucoins to find this change that limits my chances at finding treasure box items is severely disappointing.
Date: 06/18/2018 02:31 AM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
I would say the removal of the timer on the boss was a huge quality of life change, this is also a far more friendly event to physical classes than the arena which clearly favors casters. Not that we squares can’t do good in the arena, just it’s not even a competition and takes far more work for us than pures. I think there may still be some bugs in it but i’m finding doing some work for the Silent Investors can be a nice break from the endless arena runs which can become soul crushingly boring after soooo many runs. The return for your money is not as good as perfect running the arena but it’s a nice alternative that I think squares who have not aquired a bunch of enhancives and gear plus post cap training might find a friendlier foot in the door to this event than the arena. Plus whenever they do feel they might want to go back to attempting the arena they can try out the spheres on any horribly unlucky spawn they run into that might normally be a huge road block for them. Fyrentennimar
Quote: “Jaynah says, “This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.””
Date: 06/18/2018 01:46 PM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Out of curiosity why is it pures who complete the SI heist only get 100 some but the rest of us get 200? Is it some kind of bug? Also will this be open during the Christmas run of dr?
Fyrentennimar
Quote: “Jaynah says, “This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.””
Date: 06/18/2018 02:02 PM CDT
From: ROBERTSM8
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Heist bloodscrip scales per room. If you get hit with the orb, you get 25. No hit in the open 35, no hit in hiding 50. Per room. Sometimes you get an item in the first 4 rooms instead of BS. But that explains the differences in the scrip rewards
Date: 06/18/2018 02:37 PM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
MMM I hear claims of not getting hit by orbs and still coming out lower. I’m not sure I’ve even noticed anything getting thrown at me.
Fyrentennimar
Quote: “Jaynah says, “This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.””
Date: 06/18/2018 02:40 PM CDT
From: ROBERTSM8
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
If you successfully pass the skill check, you won’t get an orb tossed at you. That’s when you get the 50BS.
Date: 06/18/2018 02:42 PM CDT
From: ROBERTSM8
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
I should clarify, from my perspective. When you OBSERVE, if you pass the skill check, you don’t get an orb messaging or anything. The maurauder just pops out. If you fail the skill check, you get wolloped with an orb that does rank 1 wounds, usually a couple of them. It has been consistent for me every run. The “magic number” seems to be 1x in perception to dodge the spheres.
Date: 06/18/2018 02:59 PM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
I never use observe because whenever I did it told me I was supposed to be listening. I just assumed it was only for sue with one of the other factions version of the heist.
Fyrentennimar
Quote: “Jaynah says, “This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.””
Date: 06/18/2018 03:11 PM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
I would also say that at least one of the pures I know ran it got no orbs thrown at them and has over 1x in perception so if there is some check that effects the bloodscrip happening to hurt the purers i’ve known to run it it is not that.
Fyrentennimar
Quote: “Jaynah says, “This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.””
Date: 06/18/2018 03:30 PM CDT
From: LAWRONIUS
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
OBSERVE is for the Ophidian Cabal (OC) one, LISTEN is for the Silent Investors (SI) one. I haven’t done the Poisoned Heretics (PH) one yet, so I’m not sure what you are supposed to do in that yet.
Each branch is similar, but slightly different. And I’m sure the skill checks for each are as well.
Date: 06/18/2018 07:43 PM CDT
From: HATESHI
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
PH is watch, and to move to the next stage is sneak.
– Overlord EK
>You now regard Eorgina with a warm demeanor.
Date: 06/18/2018 11:02 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
>>The addition of potentially unlimited waves is not a QoL change. It makes it significantly more difficult to complete the final enemy when five watchdogs spawn on you. Spending $100 on Simucoins to find this change that limits my chances at finding treasure box items is severely disappointing.
A disabled “bloodthirsty” boss cannot summon help, keep that in mind. They can in RT though. But the timer being paused is the QoL. There is also a chance at a non-combat encounter.
The Bank Heist is low intensity combat rail ride that has three routes to try. Each have different skill checks (and even a stat check in one of them). If you’ve tried all three routes, and it’s not for you, there is still the arena and sewers.
Wyrom, PM
Date: 06/19/2018 06:55 AM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Is there any point to doing an ‘observe’ after the first time you determine that your position has been compromised? All I ever got for my trouble was an orb rolling in, and damaging <exactly the same body part[s] as the last one>.
Once you’re compromised, just walk & steal?
Any way to NOT get blasted by the orbs?
Does the bloodscrip you find have to be physical, or can it get added to your ‘ticket’ balance? (Yes, I realize that the advantage to physicality is that it can be sold. This pales in comparison to having to put the stuff away in order to re-equip for combat, see also under ‘position is compromised’.)
In the few ‘steals’ that I managed, I got only bloodscrip each time; I am not quite fully singled in Perception (75 ranks, at 89th level). Should there be items in my future, or are my chances slim?
Date: 06/19/2018 10:45 AM CDT
From: VEYTHORNE
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Is there any point to doing an ‘observe’ after the first time you determine that your position has been compromised? All I ever got for my trouble was an orb rolling in, and damaging <exactly the same body part[s] as the last one>.
Once you’re compromised, just walk & steal?
Any way to NOT get blasted by the orbs?
Does the bloodscrip you find have to be physical, or can it get added to your ‘ticket’ balance? (Yes, I realize that the advantage to physicality is that it can be sold. This pales in comparison to having to put the stuff away in order to re-equip for combat, see also under ‘position is compromised’.)
In the few ‘steals’ that I managed, I got only bloodscrip each time; I am not quite fully singled in Perception (75 ranks, at 89th level). Should there be items in my future, or are my chances slim?
Make sure you are hidden or invisible before observing. Remember in the Ophidian Cabal mission you are sneaking into a bank to steal! Being hidden is a good thing! Every time I’ve ever been hit by an orb it’s because I’ve been observing out in the open, if I’m hidden they don’t roll in! (You might still have to pass some kind of skill check, but being hidden or invisible helps).
Date: 06/19/2018 11:07 AM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Thanks, Lawronius!
Date: 06/19/2018 12:15 PM CDT
From: CHUCK3B
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Krakii-
The OC requires a perception check. You need to be at least 1x to avoid damage, even while hidden. However, it doubles the amount of script you earn. The SI and the PH have different stat/skill checks (I don’t know what they are however). To start the next battle in the OC you observe. That’s essentially how you tell the game you’re ready for the next mob/s. So yes, you have to say it for each room. You “listen” to start it in the SI area and watch in the PH.
The last thing you want when stealing, in my opinion, is finding an item. It’s a pain in the @#$. The items aren’t worth all that much-much better to keep the items in the sewers where you aren’t trying to also fight a battle and not get weighted down. Also, items mean you’ll have to take frequent trips to the pawn shop so…again…you’re not weighted down in the battles.
But about 1 time in 8 (very crude guess on what I’m seeing), you do get an item. Wish it were zero times in 8. I’ll sewer if I want items.
Date: 06/19/2018 12:19 PM CDT
From: CHUCK3B
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
The one thing I wish someone would consider on the mobs is the special roundtimes (I forget if it’s a warcry or whatever. I’ll call it a warcry here just to call it something). But twice now I’ve had three separate 20 second warcries in a single battle…making it impossible to complete the mission.
I do understand it’s a mechanic-one that might even be avoided with proper spec’ing. But it still seems like a lot. Once puts me at pretty high risk all by itself (especially if I was knocked down first or in the process). Anyway, just something to consider adjusting a bit..
Otherwise, even as a caster, I really like the QoL update!
Date: 06/19/2018 12:22 PM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Well post cap pures are loseing decent chunks of blood scrip in the SI, even way post cap pures so I would guess whatever it the stat or skill check there is has to be something pures really really don’t value.
Fyrentennimar
Quote: “Jaynah says, “This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.””
Date: 06/19/2018 12:53 PM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Great information, Chuck, thanks!
For clarification, the ‘items’ to which I referred were the dozen needed for the loot-sack. Krakii wants her some loot-sacks. <nod>
Date: 06/20/2018 01:50 PM CDT
From: REDSCARE
Subj: Re: Heist QoL Updates
Any chance we could see a timer between summons so it doesn’t get out of control when they just decide to summon loop since have no way to prevent it?
