Runestaves and Shields No Longer Both Contribute to Defenses
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GM Estild announces that shields and runestaves can no longer be used together for full defensive benefits. FIXSKILLS may be available for those who trained this way. See the thread for more info:
Category: Hunting and Combat Topic: Runestaffs and Magical Staves
Date: 07/10/2018 01:42 PM CDT
From: GS4-ESTILD
Subj: Runestaves and Shields
It’s no longer possible to defensively benefit from holding a runestaff and a shield at the same time. As a one-handed defensive tool, you can still benefit from the shield in such a scenario, but the runestaff will not be able to be used effectively.
GameMaster Estild
Date: 07/10/2018 02:11 PM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
Awww, man!
I broke GemStone. 🙁
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Well, it was a good couple of years while I was mangling your combat system. 🙂
Date: 07/10/2018 02:16 PM CDT
From: WHIGHTCNIGHT
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
Will having a shield out ALWAYS force you to be using the shield use DS formula going forward if there is one in your left hand? In other words, even if I have more skills to have a higher runestaff DS, if by chance I happen to loot/equip a shield, will the Shield DS be used over that even if it’s DS would be lower? IE making looting/picking up shields a more perilous adventurer in front of mobs due to lowering your DS.
Date: 07/10/2018 02:20 PM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
I would think that it would, because you’re disrupting the two-handed nature of the runestaff.
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For what it’s worth, my “get treasure” macro is done as two lines in the Wizard with a “?”, so I just type “aegis” once and it executes both the get & put as consecutive commands. Window of vulnerability is minimal, and that’s with something not as sophisticated as a Lich script.
Date: 07/10/2018 02:20 PM CDT
From: ADRED
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
When do I get my fixskill?
Date: 07/10/2018 02:22 PM CDT
From: JABANOSKI2
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
When do we get our fixskills.
Date: 07/10/2018 02:24 PM CDT
From: PODMASTER
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
Don’t think you can change something that major and not allow people to respec.
Date: 07/10/2018 02:27 PM CDT
From: ALSTHAR
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
Prefacing this with that this doesn’t affect any of my characters in any way.
But it is a major change rolled out with no warning, even if it was a ridiculous build for races that didn’t have 4 arms.
Really need to give a fix skills here.
Date: 07/10/2018 02:29 PM CDT
From: GS4-ESTILD
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
Until August 10th, 2018, if you’re a Wizard, Sorcerer, Cleric, or Empath (Pures) and are 1x trained in Shield Use, ASSIST and point them to this post and you’ll be granted a FIXSKILL. As always, it will not stack with any other FIXSKILLS, so be sure you have none available when requesting it. Bards, Rangers, and Paladins (Semis) can get an SGM referral for special consideration, since it’s going to require them to demonstrate their skill set in more magical skills and for me to review logs to verify they actually hunted with a runestaff to determine eligibility.
GameMaster Estild
Date: 07/10/2018 02:30 PM CDT
From: PODMASTER
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
Why not bards that are trained at least a certain per level in magical skills? Seems like they may be major losers in this as well.
Date: 07/10/2018 02:37 PM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
“Seems like they may be major losers in this as well.” — PodMaster
Yes, yes we am.
Particularly since Bards could double in Shield Use, for only just a little more than any of the pures could to only single. 🙁 (All the pures are 13p/0m to single; Bards are 5p/0m [2], or 15p to double.)
Date: 07/10/2018 02:37 PM CDT
From: JABANOSKI2
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
Very grateful for granting the fixskills, this lessens the blow from the change. Thank you!
I actually had the annual one still pending from May, so I just dumped all the Shield Use [and converted SBash to Feint] last night. (However, I’m reasonably likely to have the Bard hit cap by next May, so if you’re willing to credit me with one I can have it banked to see whether I like Shield Use more than Runestaff, the week before that one lands…)
Date: 07/11/2018 11:31 AM CDT
From: WINTERMYST
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
So if you have a mutant build IE Warpath that swings, will this change affect you in anyway, will it nerf mutant builds?
Date: 07/11/2018 11:43 AM CDT
From: OM1E5GA
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
<So if you have a mutant build IE Warpath that swings, will this change affect you in anyway, will it nerf mutant builds?>
Unless there’s something not mentioned in the announcement, this shouldn’t affect such a build at all unless you’re swinging a runestaff while holding a shield.
Starchitin, the OG
A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.
Date: 07/11/2018 05:13 PM CDT
From: AUDIOSERF
Subj: Re: Runestaves and Shields
Not happy about this but don’t really have a leg to stand on to complain about it. Was nice while it worked. Onward to brawl and shield, I guess. I’m over runestaves until Disarm is addressed.
