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Final Ebon Gate Dates and Prices-Access

Big Kahuna Wyrom updates us with Ebon Gate Pricing info: Shopping Passes are account wide for 31 days; Games Passes (Digging and the multi-games) are account wide and last 7 days; Service Pass is 31 days for 1 character (Merchants, Raffles). Fishing will cost seashells, but require no pass

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Category: Paid Events: Adventures, Quests, and SimuCoins
Topic: Ebon Gate Festival

Date: 09/05/2017 11:22 AM CDT
From: WARLORD1871
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>With regards to merchant passes, people getting a service at a merchant, logging out, logging into the next character, running back to the same merchant to get another over and over was likely the unsustainable aspect. The added cost of the upcharge wasn’t worth the strain on the merchant trying to work for as many as possible.

ummm I just said it was per account. Sure you could pay for multiple characters or your full account, but services were mostly per account. You couldn’t run back to the same merchant during the same session with someone else on your account. Premium merchants already go this route. Make all the services per account and there is no issue. Right now, assuming there is once again profession/skill based raffles I will have to buy multiple big expenditures JUST for one raffle here or there. That is not very kosher, especially when someone with two cheaper accounts can then spend the exact same number of simucoins I did but get far more raffle entries at the same raffle as a side benefit. Pricing structure needs to be more in line with the old for this to be fair. The whole thing should be per account not character or its bad.

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Date: 09/05/2017 11:37 AM CDT
From: FALAN
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
overall seems fair though curios how exactly the services / raffle thing will be enforced but I have faith.

I do have a question though: Is there a chance to just buy a raffle token instead to enter a raffle? Or if not this EG, maybe in the future?

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Date: 09/05/2017 11:53 AM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>Really gotta try to get the basic calendar out earlier. I submitted an event for my CHE one day before this (the October deadline) and it’s the only Saturday of merchant work. Guess I’ll bother Elidi to change my calendar submission.

>>With the advent of core GM-game activities occurring about once every two months, maybe we should consider blocking out the GM-led months completely, and focusing the House activities in the ‘tweener’ months? That’s if the schedule holds.

Keep in mind, we never have 100% event participation. Players like choices. You can see how many tickets sold for EG looking at the previous year box office numbers. Granted, the box office model was very limiting for participation, but it gives you a good idea of basic attendance. Having many options, be it merchant events, pay events, player events, storylines, etc is a good thing.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 09/05/2017 11:57 AM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>I do have a question though: Is there a chance to just buy a raffle token instead to enter a raffle? Or if not this EG, maybe in the future?

Given the strong reaction when players assumed more microtransactions were being introduced to games, I don’t think many players will support this.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 09/05/2017 12:00 PM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information

>>Given the strong reaction when players assumed more microtransactions were being introduced to games, I don’t think many players will support this.

Yeah, which annoys me. I WANT a simucoin based games/digging tier, where the rates are scaled for the price of entry, where you can get something good without spending one hundred hours digging…

So I vote for both.


Date: 09/05/2017 12:13 PM CDT
From: ALLENM20
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
I think the 1 week pass for digging/games is the best implementation we could hope for if you’re not thrilled about microtransactions. I wish there was an option for this at duskruin as I would easily drop $100 to run sewers for a week non-stop.

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Date: 09/05/2017 12:39 PM CDT
From: DOUG
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>Keep in mind, we never have 100% event participation. Players like choices.

Yes, yes indeed, we do. I just believe that we shouldn’t purposefully place event coordinators (in particular, CHE leadership) in a position where the choice is to both run a diminished player event and forego personal desires to attend said merchant, pay event, storyline, etc. I think that event coordinators (staff and non-staff alike, mind) like to feel they have reasonable support, limited collisions and what they might feel is a reasonable return on their investment of time – however that might be expressed.

I think the team has moved entire solar systems to drive the current improvements, and wouldn’t ask that work be sacrificed or devalued. My question is how to return the player-choice to the event coordinators that are increasingly affected. Continually handling them as one-offs doesn’t seem optimal, in my view. That’s why I suggested a refined ‘target schedule’. I’d welcome anything that could work, without extra overhead on either parties’ part, though!

Doug


Date: 09/05/2017 12:43 PM CDT
From: DAID
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
Me:
>>>Really gotta try to get the basic calendar out earlier. I submitted an event for my CHE one day before this (the October deadline) and it’s the only Saturday of merchant work. Guess I’ll bother Elidi to change my calendar submission.

Doug:
>>With the advent of core GM-game activities occurring about once every two months, maybe we should consider blocking out the GM-led months completely, and focusing the House activities in the ‘tweener’ months? That’s if the schedule holds.

Wyrom:
>Keep in mind, we never have 100% event participation. Players like choices. You can see how many tickets sold for EG looking at the previous year box office numbers. Granted, the box office model was very limiting for participation, but it gives you a good idea of basic attendance. Having many options, be it merchant events, pay events, player events, storylines, etc is a good thing.

I agree that the player base probably likes options. Yet as an officer, I’d like the choice of if my event overlaps with something else or not during the initial submission. I run BHA in RR and we sometimes struggle to get five people to show up. When a CHE only wants a calendar item, the deadline should not be 5 to 8 weeks in advance of the event. Staff doesn’t have to, neither should we.


Date: 09/05/2017 01:55 PM CDT
From: CHIVERST
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>I just believe that we shouldn’t purposefully place event coordinators (in particular, CHE leadership) in a position where the choice is to both run a diminished player event and forego personal desires to attend said merchant, pay event, storyline, etc. I think that event coordinators (staff and non-staff alike, mind) like to feel they have reasonable support, limited collisions and what they might feel is a reasonable return on their investment of time – however that might be expressed. ~ Doug

This!


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Date: 09/05/2017 02:19 PM CDT
From: GSBARDESS
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
I’m unclear about which part/pricing I’d need for the story line and necropolis replacement? Was the Necropolis replacement even mentioned yet?

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Date: 09/05/2017 02:31 PM CDT
From: LORDEVARIN
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>Make all the services per account and there is no issue.

If they want to go that route then it’s fine by me.


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Date: 09/05/2017 02:45 PM CDT
From: ATALYCUS
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information

So just curious what is the justification for doubling the price of games and digging. I am sure most won’t moan about that but I am curious what 2012 has to do with 2017? I mean you will make more then enough from the diving


Date: 09/05/2017 03:12 PM CDT
From: LUXELLE
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>> I agree that the player base probably likes options.

There are places for options.

“Would you like that in chartreuse or heliotrope?”

Which event to attend is not an option, it’s a forced decision. Lots of us who choose A would like to be at B, but we had to weight the decision based on … stuff.


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Date: 09/05/2017 04:39 PM CDT
From: FUDGEHJ
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
I am in agreement with the people who are saying that when an Official Event, especially one as popular as EG, conflicts with a player run event…there really is no choice or option. The overwhelming motivation is to go to the official stuff. It draws entirely away from player events…even from the players RUNNING the event.

Its not a Real Choice.

That being said, I dont know what the solution is. I, for one, like the number of official events and storylines and such. But I also make it a point to attend as many player run things as time allows. So, I dunno. Maybe a ‘player events’ week, once a month, where no GM stuff can happen on certain days would strike a balance??

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Date: 09/05/2017 05:54 PM CDT
From: CLUNK24963
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>You’ll have several days to orient before the games and shops open up (no purchase necessary during orientating period), and 3 weeks to orient before the merchants show up. Also, unless you’re trying to get character attuned raffles, you can just buy stuff for any character.

Maybe I didn’t comvey my point too well.

It was this … time I spend orienting before the games and shops open up is time not spent playing.

Remember, this is Clunk, the dwarf who spends all his time in the forge making blades. When he takes a break or plays another character, that break time is that much longer that someone else has to wait for an order.

In the past, when faced with this dilemna, most times I just say, “foo”, and get Clunk back to work in the forge.

Clunk

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Date: 09/05/2017 06:05 PM CDT
From: CLUNK24963
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>Keep in mind, we never have 100% event participation. Players like choices.

Yup, I was always ok with paying ahead for more than I got, just so long as I didn’t have to take time to figure out the new way to play once I realized I could stay up past my bedtime. Us old dwarfs have different limitations.

And yeah, I get it that some folks like to puzzle everything out, and others like to make puzzles for others to figure out (often with a Mwu-ha-ha snickered into their sleeves) … I mean, I see that everyday, and mwu-ha-ha engineers call it good.

Clunk

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Date: 09/05/2017 06:40 PM CDT
From: CHULAK
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>Yeah, which annoys me. I WANT a simucoin based games/digging tier, where the rates are scaled for the price of entry, where you can get something good without spending one hundred hours digging…

>>So I vote for both.

Aren’t we getting both? Digging/EG Games for silver and Deep Sea Diving for SC?

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Date: 09/05/2017 09:13 PM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>Yes, yes indeed, we do. I just believe that we shouldn’t purposefully place event coordinators (in particular, CHE leadership) in a position where the choice is to both run a diminished player event and forego personal desires to attend said merchant, pay event, storyline, etc. I think that event coordinators (staff and non-staff alike, mind) like to feel they have reasonable support, limited collisions and what they might feel is a reasonable return on their investment of time – however that might be expressed.

A lot of the dates are out of my control. Things also change within a 30 day window at times. We even have conflicts with staff events too. We’ll have to see how 2018 pans out. To be perfectly blunt with you, I don’t even know December’s schedule right now. I just know I’ll have to do something.

>>I’m unclear about which part/pricing I’d need for the story line and necropolis replacement? Was the Necropolis replacement even mentioned yet?

Necropolis only existed from 2013 to 2016. Something this size would not be on the initial launch of a new venue for Ebon Gate. To give some comparison, Feywrot Mire was launched in 2011. Digging 2.0 was launched in 2012. Necropolis was launched in 2013. Prior to Feywrot Mire, Velathae had Trick or Treat from 2006 to 2010 and used an older digging system and there were no multi-games or Necropolis.

However, we do have a quest/item that can be earned this year. But this thread is strictly about dates and pricing.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 09/06/2017 08:09 AM CDT
From: NENMOONIA
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
Wyrom, please please stop it with the multiplying alternate currencies. Its bad enough that I have to spend so much to get them but then have to hold them useless until the next event (i.e. 7 months till next DR) and then spend more on seashells (used once a year) and then who knows what else.

Just what is so wrong about having ONE pay event ticket that is usable across multiple events?

An analogy – Do you like going to Wendy’s and having to use Wendybucks but having them being only opened once a year in May? Then having to go to McDonalds in Mar & Oct and using McDollars? And Costco using Costcobucks? No, they all accept cash because IT MAKES SENSE.

I hope there’s no triple dipping on the services. It’s gonna be frustrating as hell to pay 3000 simucoins for a pass, then pay 10000 seashells and then pay 1m silver for a service…Its just insanely not customer friendly.


Date: 09/06/2017 08:49 AM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
“An analogy – Do you like going to Wendy’s and having to use Wendybucks but having them being only opened once a year in May? Then having to go to McDonalds in Mar & Oct and using McDollars? And Costco using Costcobucks? No, they all accept cash because IT MAKES SENSE.” — NenMoonia

Try paying at Costco with your MasterCard. 🙁

Next, try explaining this process to rewards card/club members with multiple airlines, multiple restaurants, multiple hotel chains, multiple…

.

“It’s gonna be frustrating as hell to pay 3000 simucoins for a pass, then pay 10000 seashells and then pay 1m silver for a service…Its just insanely not customer friendly.” — ibid

You start by strolling through the ghost-town looking at where stuff is. This is free. You determine whether there is anything on offer that you want to pay for. (This is the Costco, or RennFaire, website.)

Then you pay SimuCoins to gain access to being allowed to make purchases. (This is the Costco membership, or gate fee at RennFaire, or whatever.)

Once you are actually IN the event, you need to pay in whatever that merchant takes. (This is the checkout lane at Costco, or the merchant’s shop counter at RennFaire.)


Date: 09/06/2017 08:57 AM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information

My only complaint about seashells is that they seem to break the Scrip/Ticket delineation.

Previously, all Scrip was attached to ONE source, and ONE prize pool. Blackscrip, Bloodscrip, Ethereal scrip, etc. They’re prize tokens, and not the equivalent to cash. Just as you can’t use your Chuck E Cheese tickets to buy prizes at Dave and Buster’s, you can’t use prize tokens from one event to buy at another. That made sense.

However, Tickets were added to Ebon Gate to replace a garbage prize tier, and at the time were the only event that uses tickets. They were then transformed into General Tickets, which were available from Delirium manor, which was a dedicated pay-fer event (And therefore should have had Dollscrip, for consistency). The only way this change makes sense is if the garbage prize tier at events was being entirely converted over to General Tickets.

If we’re moving to General Tickets for a replacement for garbage prize tiers, which isn’t bad, then it needs to be consistent.

So at the new E.G. Will the Silvers based games be awarding General Tickets for their grabage prize tier, and Deep Sea Diving awards seashells? I think that’s an important distinction. If Seashells are a Scrip (SaltScrip? SeaScrip?) Then it’s consistent, because each scrip is only available at one Avenue. But if General Tickets aren’t showing up at all, then it breaks the announcement of General Tickets being for a wide variety of Events (because now they’re really just DollScrip).


Date: 09/06/2017 11:39 AM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>My only complaint about seashells is that they seem to break the Scrip/Ticket delineation.

We need a bit of a fresh start to manage them properly. Unfortunately, we learned a bit after the fact. Tickets will still have their use, and as we mentioned, exchanging is being discussed.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 09/06/2017 12:01 PM CDT
From: MILO6
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
Will there be a container for sale that can store all the different currencies?


Date: 09/06/2017 12:03 PM CDT
From: ARCHSENEX
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>> Will there be a container for sale that can store all the different currencies?

I’d rather there be NO container, and instead be no penalty for unredeeming.


Date: 09/06/2017 12:14 PM CDT
From: MILO6
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>I’d rather there be NO container, and instead be no penalty for unredeeming.

Cool, but if that doesn’t happen I’d still like to know if there will be a container that can hold all currencies. I like options.


Date: 09/18/2017 08:04 AM CDT
From: GSLOVER
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
Wyrom,

Is there any update regarding differences in Plat? I’ve been checking the Plat boards, but hadn’t seen anything. I’m curious as to whether it will be easier to get more than one character per account access to the merchant services in Plat as it used to be with the old Box Office ticket. (Granted, I only have 2 main characters there but one of them is likely going to be eligible for profession-only services and the other I was hoping to perhaps get a beard pouch for if they offer that again this year. So a bit of a conundrum on who to get a merchant pass for, unless there is a multi-character option for Plat.)


Date: 09/18/2017 12:37 PM CDT
From: CRAZLI
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
Beard pouches are awesome!

>look in my beard
>
In the beard:
other (1): a rune-carved haon mug.
jewelry (1): a pewter crest-etched stein.

…on another note – how’s that unlock coming along to make you able to drink stuff in your beard?!

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Date: 09/18/2017 12:42 PM CDT
From: GSLOVER
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
Agreed – beard pouches are great! I have one on a dwarf character in Prime. Thus when I made a new Dwarf on Plat, I felt I had to get her a beard pouch, too. (Female dwarves deserve beard pouches, as well!)

Hope there is some confirmation on the beard pouch merchant returning to EG.


Date: 09/18/2017 01:21 PM CDT
From: AGONY42
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>Thus when I made a new Dwarf on Plat, I felt I had to get her a beard pouch, too. (Female dwarves deserve beard pouches, as well!)

Agreed. Sigfreda needs a beard pouch.

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Date: 09/18/2017 01:38 PM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
I didn’t even know those were a thing, but they should totally be available @ Teras & Zul Lugoth on a full-time basis!


Date: 09/19/2017 05:22 PM CDT
From: KALAH
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
So we are going to have to pay $15 for the privilege of playing the games and then we are going to have to buy our own limited use shovel for 2000 silvers? Why can’t we just get 1 unlimited shovel as part of the cost of this? Who thinks this is confusing?


Date: 09/19/2017 05:27 PM CDT
From: ROBLAR
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
Yes, silvers have a function as they should for the game and have always done at EG.

Before you would pay ~$50 to play games (and rest of EG) and would pay silvers for digging & games.

The ~$15 is not like the Simucoin based diving, DM searches, and DR digging/shovels. It is a section of the full price of previous EG Box Office pricing. It allows entry, where silvers then are used for digging, as before. Ok a bit higher in silvers than the last couple years but there has also been much outcry that silvers need to have more use in game use.


Date: 09/19/2017 07:35 PM CDT
From: KALAH
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
>>The ~$15 is not like the Simucoin based diving, DM searches, and DR digging/shovels. It is a section of the full price of previous G Box Office pricing. It allows entry, where silvers then are used for digging, as before. Ok a bit higher in silvers than the last couple years but there has also been much outcry that silvers need to have more use in game use.

This is way more confusing than just letting us buy an unlimited-use shovel.


Date: 09/19/2017 09:01 PM CDT
From: VANKRASN39
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information

>This is way more confusing than just letting us buy an unlimited-use shovel.

it’s been the same for years. you pay an entry fee, then you buy shovels.


Date: 09/19/2017 11:45 PM CDT
From: KHARIZ555
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
It’s never worked that way. It’s not any more confusing than how it’s ever been.


Date: 09/25/2017 11:38 AM CDT
From: SIMU-WYROM
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
Just some clarification and updates as we get closer to October.

The shopping pass and games pass will be account-wide. This means that any character on your account will be able to shop and play games with an active pass. The service pass is character specific. Deep Sea Diving (DSD) is separate from the games pass. Games are digging (DIG) and multi-game (GET).

The passes all have expiration dates from the time you REDEEM them.
• Shopping Pass: 31 days
• Service Pass: 31 days†
• Games Pass: 7 days
(Merchant week is only one week, but in case a delayed/late service happens, you will not be penalized)

Fishing will be available this year at Ebon Gate and will cost seashells to enter. Seashells are awarded in DSD and games. You will only be able to catch one fish per entry, but you’ll be able to re-enter as much as you want. Fish have some unique prizes that you can only earn while fishing. Fishing will not require a games pass.


Wyrom, PM


Date: 09/25/2017 12:01 PM CDT
From: EREK
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
My excitement level has “gone plaid”. This will be the first time since EG existed that I’ll be participating as a player. I can’t wait. 🙂

(That first EG was super huge pucker-factor for all of us. We had no idea if it would be a success, or a complete flop. Look at our little event now! :D)


Date: 09/25/2017 01:06 PM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
I don’t think you need have worried. I’m trying to think of any ticketed event that has had low participation rate…


Date: 09/25/2017 01:22 PM CDT
From: ATALYCUS
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
🙂 excited


Date: 09/25/2017 01:59 PM CDT
From: PEREGRINEFALCON
Subj: Re: Ebon Gate Dates and Pricing Information
Two thumbs up on the pass structure and pricing.

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